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14 May 2012 @ 09:34 pm
The Past Is Not Prologue  


Well, that was... strange. I can't imagine a way it could have been worse, actually -- it's kind of fascinating that way. I think watching Chuck reject Blair like that, with a riff on that beautiful Dan/Blair scene in 5x02 ("What if I lose everything?" and "You'll still have me." became "You have me." and "That's not enough.") was the worst part, especially because Blair hasn't "bet against" Chuck and any doubts she had about his motivations in 5x07, 5x08, 5x13, and 5x19 were completely understandable given his past actions. And she apologized each time and helped him with his problems in 5x22 and 5x23! So watching Chuck reject Blair on top of everything else like that was just... wow. I don't even feel like I watched Chuck fight for Blair this season, I feel like Dan was the one who was there for her and helping her this whole time, helping her to be strong and find herself! I'm stupefied.

And Serena's arc makes me so sad too. If her season was about telling people who the real Serena van der Woodsen is, it ended with her in the same place she was at the very beginning of the series -- cheating with her best friend's boyfriend, being self-destructive and running away. And of course Dan telling her he doesn't even know who she is anymore.

What an odd, heartless little show Gossip Girl turned out to be.

Anyway, I haven't talked to you very many of you guys about Gossip Girl since February, so I thought I'd post something on LJ (IDK that I can be fucked to update it anymore tbh, sigh) for... IDK, closure and stuff. What did you guys think? Are you surprised too? (Well, as surprised as anyone can be by Gossip Girl being bad, that is.) Will any of you watch the final season? I feel like there was almost nothing in this episode for anyone who doesn't ship Chuck/Blair, and ship it really really hard, i.e. you don't believe Dan loves the real Blair, you resent Dair, and you believe Blair has wronged Chuck and needs to grovel. I'd be curious about Gossip Girl's true identity if I hadn't already been curious about why Bart faked his death and seen how great this show is at big reveals, smh.

P.S. Oh, I almost forgot. I made a GG parallel! It's the first thing I've made for GG in ages, and obviously it will be the last. I like it, though! I started crackshipping DB in 3x02, so it's fitting!



Blair: Humphreys are not proper escorts.
Dan: Let's see if we can change that stereotype.

ME: NO YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT. NOTHING EVER CHANGES ON GOSSIP GIRL.

 
 
 
thmaymuc: GG // fail!shipthmaymuc on May 15th, 2012 02:08 am (UTC)
Caitie, I just don't understand. Why did they even BOTHER with DB in first place! I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I'll be forever bitter about them. They were perfect, idec.
Caitiecaitie on May 15th, 2012 02:13 am (UTC)
I know, it's so weird. I don't understand it at all. I really don't think it's you or me or any of us, I think it's an issue with the show and the people who write it.

It might even be that it's just badly paced, to be honest. The DB arc slammed into CBL which slammed back into the payoff for the DB arc which slammed right into None Of This Matters Because Blair Will Always Love Chuck.

It's almost like punishing everyone who got attached to the Dan/Blair narrative, it's just the strangest thing and I can't even begin to understand or explain it!
felicityking: Blair Waldorf/Gossip Girl 2felicityking on May 15th, 2012 02:16 am (UTC)
Cait!!!! Long time no see! I've missed your GG posts.

I feel less burned than other Dair fans right now. At the beginning of the season, I said Dair was going to propped for Chair, and I was right. I hate being right, but I was. So my heartbreak isn't much as others. And there were clues even in the 100th episode.

What I don't get about this episode is that there was NO lead-up to it. Sure, you could say last episode, but even that one was far left field from everything that happened previously. Even though they write shit, the writers are usually good at providing transitions. But this one? It was just like "omg we need to wrap up" and hence the fuckery. Even in the previous ep, Blair only seemed hesitate to say ILY to Dan rather than "I'm sooo in love with Chuck still."

I really loathe though that Bart and Lily are being used to prop Chair. Yeah, Rufly hasn't been a healthy marriage but NOR was Bily.

Anyway, now I am actually done with the show. I'll always ship Dair. I shipped Dair even when I was boycotting half of season 5 due to smashedglass incident of season 4. But since Safran says the triangle resolved itself with this episode, I know I won't have to pine any longer. Besides, ALL the characters were ruined. Not just Dan. Not just Blair. Well, maybe Nate wasn't but the poor guy hasn't had a real plotline since godknowswhen (but he's still besties with Chuck and that counts against him so...dead!).
Caitiecaitie on May 15th, 2012 02:23 am (UTC)
Hi! I think 5x17 made me roll my eyes so much at how little sense it made I just realized I needed to stop writing about the show like it made any sense.

What I don't get about this episode is that there was NO lead-up to it. Sure, you could say last episode, but even that one was far left field from everything that happened previously. Even though they write shit, the writers are usually good at providing transitions.

IKR. Even last week, I didn't see any CB anvils. It didn't feel like Blair was torn between Chuck and Dan, it seemed like she didn't want to follow around another guy all summer, that she didn't want to commit again until she was ready after her crazy merry-go-round of relationships. Honestly, it felt like Blair was on a different page from Dan, i.e. not ready to be so serious whereas he'd had longer to sit with their relationship and had been in love with her for so long, and it was kind of sad but also interesting. I thought Blair would choose herself! LOL @ me.

Re: Bart, I just loathe that they brought him back to do the same exact story lines they've already done. It's just so... lame. This show has nothing left in the tank, you know? They can't break out of the status quo. They think they are cleaver with "the more things change the more they stay the same," but it's really just bad, repetitive writing.

I suppose they'll have to finally move things along next season, but who would watch the show after tonight?
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sedeyus on May 15th, 2012 02:57 am (UTC)
Wow, I hated the episode before I came here and you pointed how Chair's You have me/That's not enough is an incredibly dark mirror to Dair's 5x02 scene. What the fuck? Sometimes GG reminds me of Ryan Murphy show and how he absolutely hates his characters and people in general. I badly wish Safran would do an interview with someone who would bring these points up.
Caitiecaitie on May 15th, 2012 04:28 am (UTC)
Yeah, I know. I don't think we'll ever know/understand what the deal with these story lines was. The media people seem disinterested, and Savage just gave one canned interview so they all had the same quotes. I think the writers will probably just finish off the season and be happy to move along to new things, and the actors obviously all hate the show.
bellesbellsbellesbells on May 15th, 2012 04:18 am (UTC)
I went cold turkey this afternoon after watching those leaked(?) clips of the episode where Blair grovels at Chuck's feet and begs for him to take her back.

Free at last!

But from what I'm reading, it sounds like the show gave up entirely, not even just DB, but every facet of every individual character entirely.
Caitiecaitie on May 15th, 2012 04:27 am (UTC)
Yeah, it was totally bizarre.

It's funny you mention the clip because when I watched it this afternoon I was like 100% sure that could not be it. Like, that just COULD NOT be the entire scene, there must be an end to it or something. Because it was just insane to me that Chuck would say that stuff to her, that he didn't want to be Mr. Blair Waldorf, etc. But then that's all there was, and it's even weirder in context because before that scene there's a scene with Bart about how Chuck made so many mistakes with Blair, lost his temper, traded her for the hotel... so then we get to the roof where he's like I put you first and lost everything, bitch, you're not enough for me, etc. SO WEIRD.
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a.lookinglassgirl on May 15th, 2012 04:35 am (UTC)
I guess the only thing I can say is at least I was right about the DS / somewhat prepared for it because of that. The CB completely blindsided me though. And to be honest I wish CB actually got together and I didn't think I would ever say that ever again but somehow the writers made the show so bad that I'm wishing for that. Blair chooses Chuck and he rejects her again? Blair having to chase Chuck down for another 11 episodes to prove herself worthy of him? Blair needing to build Chuck up while sacrificing her own interests? AGAIN? We're really doing this AGAIN?

I don't even need DB to be together. I don't even need CB not to be together. What I need from this show is for Blair not to be kicked over and over by Chuck.

And the fucking hilarity of that speech on the roof between Chuck and Bart and then Chuck and Blair. We're going to pretend that Chuck is the one who has carried the CB relationship -- who has given up things for Blair -- who's the wronged one. Okay then.

Yeah. So. Goodbye Gossip Girl.
Caitiecaitie on May 15th, 2012 04:44 am (UTC)
Yeah, you were right! I guess I just didn't think the show would be so regressive, but CLEARLY I was totally wrong.

What I need from this show is for Blair not to be kicked over and over by Chuck.

Yeah! Like Jesus, why didn't he just propose? Why wasn't Blair all gung ho to go to Rome because she's afraid of her reawakened (there was NOTHING THERE in 5x23 tho!) Chuck feelings so it seemed like she was actually scared and running? Why not just give them their damn reunion and be done with it, instead it's "I don't want to be Mr. Blair Waldorf?" It's just so deeply deeply DEEPLY unromantic.
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margottenenbaum: Danmargottenenbaum on May 15th, 2012 04:38 am (UTC)
I haven't even watched the last bunch of episodes, but I've seen clips and been on tumblr and whatnot and...Idk. None of it makes a lick of sense. I think this is the most upset I've ever been about Gossip Girl. I'm just so upset.

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Caitiecaitie on May 15th, 2012 04:42 am (UTC)
It really makes no sense.

I think this is the most upset I've ever been about Gossip Girl. I'm just so upset.

:( I'm about to make another locked post because I have something funny to tell (show) you two. I mean, at least I hope you will find it funny. It's somewhat illustrative of why the show is so terrible tho.
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yo yoheyfoo on May 15th, 2012 07:51 am (UTC)
They had built it up for almost a year only to tear it down in one hour. I'm baffled. The fact that they have jobs as writers - ugh. They're the worst. None of it makes sense. I'm completely depressed. And of course it doesn't help that Chuckistans are rubbing it in our faces. :(

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Caitiecaitie on May 15th, 2012 01:42 pm (UTC)
I don't know what Chuckistan is saying, but to be honest they are just as robbed if not more so than Dair fans. At least Dair got a lot of good stuff this season, even if the retconned all of it's meaning in this disaster finale.
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shopgirl318: pic#116210576shopgirl318 on May 15th, 2012 09:13 pm (UTC)
I agree. Usually a Chair fan but everything was horribly written tbh and that CB rooftop scene made me angry. Before the final episode aired, I was assumed that Dair would go to Rome for the summer then let that play out until everyone comes back to the UES during the fall. Bart/Lily was plot deviced just like Rufus/Lily, not surprised I saw that RL breakup a long time coming but there could have been better ways to achieve this. I sideye all the Chuck stans who are happy with this because there was no reason to treat Blair like crap at all on the rooftop when he hasn't been fighting for her during season 5. I mean really though Chuck, really? This is why I didn't want Dair cannon in the first place because tptb ruined them too.

The season finale in general is really awful. There is no way I would take pleasure in the way CB was reunited and DB was thrown to the trash like that especially when my ship has suffered from constant terrible writing for almost 4-5 years. Seeing another one of Blair's pairings die like that after 2 years of build up regardless of how I feel about Dan rubbed me the way. My reaction after the show went off was this:
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Caitiecaitie on May 15th, 2012 11:23 pm (UTC)
and that CB rooftop scene made me angry

Yeah, there was no call for Chuck to speak to Blair that way. If he'd been angry about being led on or feeling yanked around all season, that would have made sense. If Blair had bet on their relationship, that would have made sense. Instead they had him demean her and she had to bet on him when Blair's entire issue has been that she puts Chuck first and above herself, that "I would do anything for you, what if that's not right" and then "It's not my future I'm worried about" during the stupid royal wedding arc. It's, like, totally crazy and gross to me that they went in that direction.

Anyway, IA, the finale was a mess and I felt the same when it was over. Thanks for commenting!
spankmypirate: peggyspankmypirate on May 15th, 2012 10:07 pm (UTC)
Not only am I shocked at how quickly and abruptly they slaughtered DB, but I'm also disgusted at the way the show continues to mistreat Blair and Serena. The two main female leads who have the potential to be so fabulous, yet one gets to go crawling back on her knees begging her abusive ex boyfriend to love her, the other turns to drugs and gets molested by a drug dealer on a train. Blair and Serena were completely robbed of their dignity and worth in just one episode.

I don't even understand what's going on. Did they retcon all character all development purposely just for their ~Pilot parallels~ and plan to set everything right in S6? And how will they do that in just 11 episodes?

I also hate that they made Dan cheat. That was SO out of character.

What an odd, heartless little show Gossip Girl turned out to be.

Heartless is the right word for it. What a miserably moral abyss.
Caitiecaitie on May 15th, 2012 11:27 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Blair and Serena's character arcs are so so sad to me. And they're so mean to each other, too. It's like, I get on an intellectual level that they will make up and everything will be great and I should be rooting for their relationship, but I just don't even care anymore. One more relationship Gossip Girl steamrolled right over, smh.

I actually don't think Dan cheating is out of character, especially considering that he thought his relationship with Blair was over and she'd chosen Chuck and didn't care about him, and Serena feeding into all of that and manipulating him didn't help matters. I think Dan is prone to making assumptions and jumping into stuff with girls when he's upset ("Sarah" after he broke up with Serena in S1, Rachel as things were going south with Serena in S2, Serena as things were going south with Vanessa in S4...) so it didn't surprise me. What surprised me was that Serena did that, but within the context of the episode I guess it didn't really seem that shocking or OOC.

Heartless is the right word for it.

Yeah, it really did end up being just awful and unfun.
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Muchas Smooches: dirty_kirsty on May 15th, 2012 10:51 pm (UTC)
Aw, I've missed your Gossip Girl posts, picspams and discussions.

I feel a bit stupid for being so entirely wrong about this episode. But mostly I'm crushed, because there's nothing I can salvage from it. The characters and the relationship that I love exist only in my head, in fanon, and in AU fic.

As far as I can make out, the writers decided that mid-way through the finale was the right time to reveal that they're telling a dark and depressing story where everyone's awful and nothing really changes. :(

Oh, and for what it's worth, I think Chuck's rejection of Blair in the wake of losing his company was supposed to be another case of them never both being ready for the relationship at the same time (until the series finale when they'll finally be in sync, I suppose.) In season four, Blair broke up with him because she needed to be powerful on her own first. My understanding is that this was Chuck's version of that. I guess the idea is to keep deferring an actual Chair relationship, while reaffirming how much they love each other, because... they're actually terrible together? Or because the writers have trouble writing them in a relationship or they've already done that and they've nothing left to say about them? Who knows. Very odd show, I agree. Dair had heart so they killed it with fire!

Maybe the strangest thing about Blair's ships this season was how the Dair arc mostly came off like it was written by an online Dair fan, complete with our take on the IP, on the characters of Dan and Blair, and on Chair. And then this episode presented us with a Chair fan's take on all those same things, and told us this is the truth about how things really are. Apparently my take was Dan's romantic illusion or something. I guess they pandered to us for a while for a change, before pandering to them again as is the norm.
Caitiecaitie on May 15th, 2012 11:14 pm (UTC)
But the scene where Blair told Chuck she wasn't ready was so different, you know? It wasn't sneering and accusatory like this. It was tender and Blair was sorry and it was sympathetic. In this case, Chuck literally tells her that she isn't enough and she only has a future because he gave up his and by the way he doesn't want to be Mr. Blair Waldorf. It was just... bizarre to me. Like honestly, I don't know what will happen next season nor do I care, but for the record I've never thought Chuck/Blair wasn't endgame (hoped, a little) until I watched last night's episode, and now I'm 50/50 that they aren't, and the show will end with Rufus/Lily and Serena/Blair 5ever endgame. But tbh, I don't know why anyone would care about any of these relationships anymore.

The characters and the relationship that I love exist only in my head, in fanon, and in AU fic.

And, like, apparently very briefly in Josh Safran's head? Those interviews seem so long ago, geez. I mean, your last paragraph is exactly right. I don't know how seriously we're meant to take Serena's words about Dan never loving the real Blair (I mean... WHAT?!), but like... it doesn't even matter. This finale really did decimate everything I care about, and like you there's nothing to salvage or come back for. It was just crazy town.
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mechacha_75mechacha_75 on May 16th, 2012 03:22 pm (UTC)
My main issue is that DB didn't need to be that intense to be just a prop. It's like they built something up so deeply it hurts only to drop it at the last minute for no reason.
Sure those writers aren't brave enough to let CB and DS go and do DB, I'll give you that anyday but DB was built to be the only alternative to CB. Even with her mom, it's what she talks about. Pure and simple Vs great and destructive

Except we didn't get the whole picture for the pure and simple part. They made us think maybe just maybe it could be about Blair as a person, about her moving on from the abusive people in her life, moving on from her weird romanticized ideas, from groveling at the feet of a man who traded her.

This wonderful guy sits around looking at her, expecting her to mess up and she never does, she says it's about her, not Chuck and then the finale takes it all away, it was about Chuck all along (god forbid anything to be about B herself) and it was about making B as awful as he is. What better way that walk all over a guy who sees you as this wonderful, strong person and trusts you to do the right thing (Up until the end : "Blair would tell me in person". Well apparently no she wouldn't because Blair is a sociopath who lied to you, S herself AND theloveofherlife Chuck just so she could "kill" her feelings. Feelings that in 515 she had NO reasons to kill).

All the finale did is insult my intelligence and unfortunately I let it...
Caitiecaitie on May 19th, 2012 05:07 am (UTC)
It's like they built something up so deeply

Yeah, I don't get it either. Just used a prop boyfriend like Louis or make it clear that Dan isn't right for Blair if you're going to drop the pairing like a hot potato in one episode. God, they're the worst.

it was about Chuck all along (god forbid anything to be about B herself)

Yep. I knew DB were gonna break up after 23, but I thought she would choose herself because I actually understood her issues with following Dan to Rome and not being ready to jump into another really serious relationship, and I felt for her. But then the finale airs and it's like PSYCH this is all just about Chuck.

What better way that walk all over a guy who sees you as this wonderful, strong person and trusts you to do the right thing (Up until the end : "Blair would tell me in person".

The weird part is that I do think we were supposed to see Blair as being really strong at the end. I just... I don't know, you know. This finale is a messy failure, and IA that it did insult our intelligence in the sense that what they are saying just doesn't match up with the rest of the season. They planted idea that Blair is just running away from Chuck because she's scared of her complicated relationship with him in the 100th, and they completely abandoned that idea in every way until the end of the finale. What a way to write your TV show.
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Actually [Beara]sstarlz on May 19th, 2012 02:56 am (UTC)
See, honestly, I LOVED IT. It was just the type of drama and horribleness and guilty pleasure that I started watching gg in the first place, to be honest. It was so perfect. The way S comes full circle, sleeping with her best friend's boyfriend and ending up on the fast train to nowhere, doing drugs, getting high, and in a steep downward spiral. Blair tries to be the queen, the wonderfulness she actually is, and DOES but is weighed down by her feelings which she always was. (Sidenote: I LOVED DB. But...it was clear to me that they just were never meant to be. As horrible as B/C is, and as dark as it is, it was always...meant to be. They were made for each other, I feel.) And Blair...she's grown enormously. Grown to take responsibility for herself, her actions, finally eject the venomous S from her life, and to move on. I love the way Serena's circle is paralleled/mirrored by Blair's growth. She's finally stopped scheming and grown up.

And Dan ends up where he began- alone but ingenious. Dan will forever be LonelyBoy to me.

I love Nate and Lola, I love that Lola gave the money back to Ivy. I'm really sad the way Lily has reacted to everything though. I mean...while it is in character, I just...I loved Lily and Rufus together, and I'm sad, horribly sad that that's over. I can't believe...I mean, why would she choose Bart? WHYYYY? Bart is evil, he just took the company from his son, which DESTROYED Chuck, though he dealt with in in the most responsible way...I've ever seen chuck deal with something. Instead of going in a downward spiral, he FIGHTS to get it back, in a perfectly Chuck-like way. I love it. I don't like the way he treated Blair when he's up on the top of the building though. It's not her fault that his father is a dumbass. But it's understandable. Chuck worships his father, and...it will take awhile for him to realize that his father is stupid and mean and just wrong.

Whew, that was a long post. Anyway, I guess to sum it all up, after a long season of not really liking gossip girl, I actually REALLY liked this episode. Hopefully the final season will end with a BANG. thoughts?
Caitiecaitie on May 19th, 2012 04:56 am (UTC)
the type of drama and horribleness and guilty pleasure that I started watching gg in the first place

I guess that's not why I watch Gossip Girl, especially since it hasn't really delivered where good drama is concerned since S3. And I honestly can't see any of the finale developments going anywhere new or interesting. Dan already wrote an UES expose that offended everyone. Serena sleeping with Dan was undercut by Blair choosing Chuck, so there's no way it can compare to the dramatics NS caused in season 1. Lily choosing Bart was forced nonsense and is obviously temporary. Gossip Girl's identity is sure to disappoint (unless it's Penelope, maybe). I've already sat through four seasons of Chuck's daddy issues so I'm not interested in a retread of those either.

But...it was clear to me that they just were never meant to be. As horrible as B/C is, and as dark as it is, it was always...meant to be. They were made for each other, I feel.

I understand why some people feel this way. What I don't understand is WHY instead of telling the story of how Chuck and Blair are made for each other this season, GG chose to focus on how compatible Dan and Blair are, to show them conquering all of these obstacles (every obstacle but Chuck), and show how much better Dan is for Blair... only to have Blair run to Chuck so he could reject her and be a total ass about it and in absolutely no way validate her choice. I'd much rather them have had a happy reunion on the roof, as a Blair fan.

And Blair...she's grown enormously. Grown to take responsibility for herself, her actions, finally eject the venomous S from her life, and to move on.

I don't understand, how is Serena venomous? The show told us that Serena was right about Blair being in love with Chuck and using Dan to avoid her feelings for him. I didn't think Blair was in the right when she blamed Serena for everything going wrong in her life and said the best time she ever had was six years ago when she was gone. I also don't see the growth for Blair, except in her certainty about what she wants and going after it. All the promise of finding herself pretty much crashed and burned when she was handed her mother's company on a silver platter, no work required. Especially since she didn't even want to intern at her mother's company in S4, you know? I feel like they only gave her that story line in order to parallel her with Chuck's father taking away his company, so I thought it was a disappointing direction for Blair.

though he dealt with in in the most responsible way...I've ever seen chuck deal with something. Instead of going in a downward spiral, he FIGHTS to get it back, in a perfectly Chuck-like way.

I mean... I guess it's progress that Chuck didn't offer his father a night with Blair to get his hotel back, but there wasn't any growth to me evident after his father took his company away, and I'm through being understanding of Chuck lashing out at Blair because of his daddy issues. It started in S2, it's the reason he traded her for his hotel in S3 and bashed glass over her face in S4. And in S5, it's just the same old same old, with Chuck's "so what" response to her I Love You reminding me so much of his "that's too bad" response to her I Love You after his father's death in S2. I was understanding then, I'm over it now.

I mean, basically I just hate the show now, and I used to adore everything about it. I hate most of the characters. I feel like I already watched all of these story lines. (Because I DID.) And stuff like WHO IS GOSSIP GIRL might be interesting except for the fact that Gossip Girl is so ineptly written nowadays that the writers can't even pull off a coherent explanation for why Bart Bass faked his death for three years, even though they claim to have been planning his resurrection since Season 3. I'm just totally over it!
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(Anonymous) on May 29th, 2012 01:43 pm (UTC)
reading your coments on gg was so great
I'll so miss it so much :((((((((( is there no hope of you writing abt it in the future?
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